Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Arguing about music, part two

While we wait for the polar ice caps to melt or for Beeso to make up his mind which of his favourite bleep-bleep-blurp or bogans-rhyming-over-other-peoples-beats albums to put into his best albums evaaarrrr list, thought we should turn our attention to the trigger for this (apparently) - the release of the Definitive List (according to a bunch of grizzled old rock pigs one suspects) of the Top 100 Australian Albums of All Time. Complete with enormous fuck-off coffee table book and 5 CDs, just in time for Christmas. Since that's commercial as fuck, no real surprise this is too. Insert attribution link here. Full list as follows:

The 100 Best Australian albums
1. Midnight Oil – Diesel and Dust
2. AC/DC – Back in Black
3. Crowded House – Woodface

4. Cold Chisel – Circus Animals

5. The Triffids – Born Sandy Devotional

6. Easybeats – The Best Of

7. Paul Kelly and the Coloured Girls – Gossip

8. You Am I – Hi Fi Way
9. Skyhooks – Living in the 70’s

10. Avalanches – Since I Left You

11. INXS – Kick

12. Go-Betweens – 16 Lovers Lane

13. Radio Birdman – Radios Appear

14. Daddy Cool – Daddy Who? Daddy Cool!

15. Richard Clapton – Goodbye Tiger

16. Bee Gees – Best of

17. The Birthday Party – Junkyard

18. Hunters & Collectors – Human Frailty

19. Sarah Blasko – As Day Follows Night

20. The Saints – I’m Stranded

21. Drones – Gala Mill

22. Split Enz – True Colours

23. Midnight Oil – 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

24. Slim Dusty – The Very Best of

25. Silverchair – Neon Ballroom

26. Nick Cave Bad Seeds – The Boatman’s Call

27. Regurgitator – Unit

28. Hoodoo Gurus – Stoneage Romeos

29. Empire of the Sun – Walking on a Dream

30. Gurrumul – Gurrumul

31. Kasey Chambers – Barricades & Brickwalls

32. Johnny O’Keefe – The Wild One

33. The Church – Starfish

34. The Reels – Quasimodo’s Dream

35. Master’s Apprentices – Master’s Apprentices

36. Savage Garden – Savage Garden

37. Sunnyboys – Sunnyboys

38. Kev Carmody & Various Artists – Cannot Buy My Soul

39. Something For Kate – Echolalia

40. Stephen Cummings – Lovetown

41. The Saints – Prehistoric Sounds

42. Australian Crawl – The Boys Light Up

43. Powderfinger – Odyssey No. 5

44. Mental as Anything – Cats & Dogs

45. Eddy Current Suppression Ring – Rush To Relax

46. Models – Pleasure of Your Company

47. Augie March – Moo, You Bloody Choir

48. The Missing Links – The Missing Links

49. Ed Kuepper – Honey Steel’s Gold

50. AC/DC – Highway to Hell

51. The Sports – Don’t Throw Stones

52. The Seekers – Greatest Hits

53. Cold Chisel – East

54. Underground Lovers – Leaves Me Blind

55. You Am I – Hourly, Daily

56. INXS – The Swing

57. The Living End – The Living End

58. Jimmy Barnes – For the Working Class Man

59. Russell Morris – Wings of an Eagle

60. Hoodoo Gurus – Mars Needs Guitars

61. The Presets – Apocalypso

62. The Dingoes – The Dingoes

63. The Cruel Sea – The Honeymoon is Over

64. The Angels – Face to Face

65. The Hummingbirds – loveBUZZ

66. Paul Kelly – Foggy Highway

67. Chain – Towards the Blues

68. Dragon – O Zambesi

69. Billy Thorpe & the Aztecs – Live at Sunbury

70. The Scientists – Blood Red River

71. Crowded House – Temple of Low Men

72. Died Pretty – Doughboy Hollow

73. Axiom – Fool’s Gold

74. Bob Evans – Suburban Songbook

75. Dirty 3 – Ocean Songs

76. Renee Geyer – Ready to Deal

77. The Church – The Blurred Crusade

78. The Vines – Highly Evolved

79. John Farnham – Whispering Jack

80. The Loved Ones – Magic Box

81. Sleepy Jackson – Lovers

82. Bliss N Eso – Flying Colours

83. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds – Tender Prey

84. Tex, Don + Charlie – Sad But True

85. Flowers – Icehouse

86. Missy Higgins – The Sound of White

87. Go-Betweens – Before Hollywood

88. Normie Rowe – Ain’t Necessarily So

89. Jet – Get Born

90. Captain Matchbox Whoopee Band – Smoke Dreams

91. Ben Lee – Awake is the New Sleep

92. Rose Tattoo – Rose Tattoo

93. I’m Talking – Bear Witness

94. X – X-Aspirations

95. Beaches – Beaches

96. Baby Animals – Baby Animals

97. Bernard Fanning – Tea & Sympathy

98. Kylie Minogue – Fever

99. Men at Work – Business As Usual
100. Morning of the Earth – Soundtrack

In broad terms, yeah, OK. Most of the cases where this lot have ranked a different album from a particular Australian artist (eg AC/DC or You Am I) higher than I would have I can accept as subjective difference, and have usually discussed in the previous post. And it's rock-and-pop biased because, bluntly, Australian music is, or at least has been across the timescope of this study. Country, dance and hip-hop aren't prevalent, because they haven't been prevalent, on balance, across the last 40-50 years this addresses. Don't really have a problem with that. In specifics, however, this list has serious fucking issues. Even the most mentally redundant arsehat knows you don't put best-ofs in a greatest albums list, because they're as much 'albums' as someone's fucking iTunes playlist is. Our stance on disqualifying live albums etc can be argued one way or another - there's a couple of live albums in here - but compilations are never, ever permissable. Absolute fucking muppets. And there's also some pretty spurious efforts in here from acts which have been out for all of 15 minutes and are clearly Critics Darlings Of The Minute - Eddy Current Suppression Ring? The 45th greatest Australian album of all time? Really?

Actually, the more I look at this, the more an exercise in blanket-based muppeteering this becomes. Neon Ballroom better than Frogstomp? Bob Evans better than anything Jebediah did? Savage Garden being on the list in the first fucking place?

It's just as well music is subjective. Because objectively, this list is clearly the work of a shower of hapless, concept-averse arseclowns.

The Doctor is OUT.

10 comments:

beeso said...

Beeps and Blipsand MCs aside, i'd have to agree with you. Wacking the avalances in there shows they hung out with a few JJJ presenters when that came out, i'd argue for sonic animation being a much better band, live and in the studio than them.
Again if you are going to include live albums, then not putting in the Hunters live album and putting in a studio album is a waste of time.
And Bliss and Eso over the Hood's The Calling? Please.

Dr Yobbo said...

Bang on. If they're considering live albums for some (eg Billy Thorpe) they have to consider them for all. If they're including best ofs (eg for the Seekers or the Easybeats) they have to include best-ofs for every band in the list (eg the Oils' 40,000 Watt RSL.) You can't pick and choose. And if those bands didn't ever manage to record one great album which summed up their sound, stiff shit. It's a best album list, not a best band list.

beeso said...

And i put some albums in my list that while i don't love every song, i still love the album, cause it is a moment in time that a best of can't do. A live album can though and even a soundtrack in some cases.

Dr Yobbo said...

Like I said - I see the argument for why a live album might be a fair inclusion - particularly if it's of a single gig (ie capturing a band at that moment of their development as a live act) - but that said if I'd put live albums into my top 50 they'd have dominated the pointy end to the detriment of studio ones. If you include compilation-style soundtracks though, why not include Triple J Hottest 100s and the like? They're also of time and place. Thin edge of the wedge.

yankeedog said...

No Air Supply? C'mon, man!

Anonymous said...

Missy Higgins? SNORT...the list to me looks like SonyBMG's stable and Universal's back catalogue.

beeso said...

Yeah I wonder about Missy Higgins. I went back to Vika and Linda's first album the other day and it is easily as good as anything Missy has done, maybe better. So what makes her worthy? Timing? Lipstick lesbianism?

Dr Yobbo said...

YDog - no Air Supply. We shall suffocate I'm afraid.

Beeso - reckon it's much the same situation as to why you were arguing the Avalanches were outrating Sonicanimation, Higgins had the combination of timing, buzz and HEAVY support from Triple J (she was originally an Unearthed winner wasn't she?) The lipstick lesbian thing didn't come out (ahem) straight away, apart from question marks over the lyrics of Scar. But she definitely hit a chord with twenty something women of around our vintage, that was for certain. Timing and buzz.

Birmo said...

Bwahahahahahaha. As I was reading your intro to this I thought to myself, "I wonder if Cresswell or Johnny O'D were involved in this?"

And then, my eyes dropped down to the graphic and there they were.

Bingo!

They used to edit Rolling Stone when I wrote for it.

They've been doing this 100 album thing for 20 years.

Dr Yobbo said...

Cheers JB - that kinda figures, and speaks to some of the stuff Beeso brought up on Twunter about there being next to no dance, country, hiphop etc on the list, and they picks they've made there are questionable. Kinda interesting to see how they've rewritten history here a bit in terms of pulling forward bands who were irrelevant or ignored in their day but have been bestowed with a bunch of significance after the fact fairy-godmother-style.